Did any cars ever come stock with multi-piece wheels?

[hamradio]

I have a question-
Have any cars ever come with multi piece wheels, stock?

Thanks.

[Topher]

[Digital K]

yes, many.....many cars.

[hamradio]

Sorry for being such a n00b. I'd just never seen a car come stock with multi piece wheels, and had thought about it more and more over the past few days, so I decided to ask.

Examples of said cars?

Only thing that comes to mind are old chevy blazers, but I don't know if those are just multi piece look alikes.

[Midw3st_dubn]

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[Digital K]

Sorry for being such a n00b. I'd just never seen a car come stock with multi piece wheels, and had thought about it more and more over the past few days, so I decided to ask.

Examples of said cars?

Only thing that comes to mind are old chevy blazers, but I don't know if those are just multi piece look alikes.

mkII 16v GTI is a perfect example.

[Slipstream]

The 16" RXIIs on the MKIV Wolfsburg are actually multi-piece as well (albeit only two-piece).

[Digital K]

older porsches came w/ 3 peice BBS RS's as well

[Digital K]

here are others that came w/ RM/RS's

RM:

RM 002 - 6,5x15 - ET 33 - 4x100
RM 012 - 6,5x15 - ET 33 - 4x100
RM 005 -7jx15 4x108
Rm 025 - 7,5jx15 et25 4x100

RS

Part Number Width x Diameter Offset Lug Pattern Lug Number Centerbore Make Model
RS068 7 x 15 0.0 98.00 4 58.5 Maserati Biturbo VA
RS069 8 x 15 12.0 98.00 4 58.5 Maserati Biturbo HA
RS172 7 x 15 38.0 98.00 4 58.1 Lancia Delta 4WD
RS202 7 x 15 25.0 98.00 4 58.1 Lancia Delta Integrale
RS229 7 x 16 24.0 98.00 4 58.1 Fiat,Lancia
RS230 7 1/2 x 16 18.0 98.00 4 58.1 Fiat,Lancia
RS249 7 x 15 30.0 98.00 5 58.1 Alfa 164
RS001 7 x 15 25.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW,VW 3/1,3/R,Golf II
RS002 8 x 15 12.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3/1
RS003 7 x 16 25.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW,VW 3/1,3/R,Golf II
RS004 8 x 16 12.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3/1
RS016 6 1/2 x 15 32.0 100.00 4 57.0 VW Golf,Scirocco,Passat
RS 033 6.5 x 15 34 100 4 57
RS047 7 x 15 38.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW,VW 3/1,3/R,Golf II
RS070 7 x 15 16.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3/1,3/R
RS071 8 x 15 18.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3/1,3/R HA
RS072 9 x 15 3.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3/1 HA
RS073 8 x 16 15.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3/1
RS074 9 x 16 0.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3/1
RS096 7 x 15 38.0 100.00 4 61.0 Renault Alpine GTA
RS097 8 1/2 x 15 18.0 100.00 4 61.0 Renault Alpine
RS099 8 x 15 12.0 100.00 4 57.0 Opel GT VA
RS100 9 x 15 3.0 100.00 4 57.0 Opel GT HA
RS114 11 x 15 -35.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3,3/1
RS116 8 x 15 3.0 100.00 4 60.0 Renault Alpine GT VA
RS117 9 x 15 3.0 100.00 4 60.0 Renault Alpine GT HA
RS118 11 x 15 15.0 100.00 4 60.0 Renault Alpine GT HA
RS127 9 x 15 -36.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3,3/1
RS128 11 x 15 -61.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3,3/1
RS129 13 x 15 -74.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3,3/1
RS134 8 x 15 -23.0 100.00 4 56.5 Opel Kadett E
RS136 11 x 15 -10.0 100.00 4 57.0 Opel GT
RS138 7 x 15 16.0 100.00 4 56.5 Opel Kadett E
RS139 9 x 15 3.0 100.00 4 56.5 Opel Kadett E
RS140 8 x 15 28.0 100.00 4 57.0 Opel Manta B
RS143 9 1/2 x 15 12.0 100.00 4 60.0 Renault Alpine GT HA
RS164 9 1/2 x 15 9.0 100.00 4 60.0 Renault Alpine
RS165 11 x 15 -26.0 100.00 4 60.0 Renault Alpine
RS166 13 x 15 -48.0 100.00 4 60.0 Renault Alpine
RS185 8 x 15 3.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3/1
RS186 13 x 15 -48.0 100.00 4 57.0 BMW 3/1 HA
RS218 6 x 15 3.0 100.00 4 57.0 Jamaha FJ 1100 (Gespann)
RS237 8 x 15 -10.0 100.00 4 57.0 VW Golf II
RS240 6 x 14 40.0 100.00 4 56.0 Honda Accord Concerto CR-X
RS242 6 x 14 30.0 100.00 4 57.0 Isuzu Toyota Gemeni MR2
RS315 8 x 17 35.0 100.00 4 56.5 Opel Calibra
RS319 7 1/2 x 15 32.0 100.00 4 54.0 Mazda 323
RS354 7 1/2 x 16 28.0 100.00 4 56.0 Honda Civic
RS715w 7 x 17 35.0 100.00 4 0.0 Hon.Maz.Mit.Opel,Ren.Rover Seat,Tojota,Volvo,VW
RS269 7 1/2 x 16 28.0 100.00 5 54.1 Toyota Celica,Camry
RS301 7 1/2 x 17 33.0 100.00 5 57.0 VW Golf/Passat III plus
RS304 7 1/2 x 15 30.0 100.00 5 54.0 Toyota Carina
RS332 9 x 15 15.0 100.00 5 57.0 VW Corrado VR6
RS333 11 1/2 x 15 -52.0 100.00 5 57.0 VW Corrado VR6 HA
RS086 9 x 15 4.0 108.00 0 71.0 Ferrari 512 VA
RS087 13 x 15 -47.0 108.00 0 71.0 Ferrari 512 HA
RS060 7 x 16 35.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Sierra,Sierra 4x4
RS094 8 x 16 36.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Sierra,Sierra 4x4
RS103 7 1/2 x 16 4.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Sierra VA
RS104 9 x 16 11.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Sierra HA
RS121 8 x 15 12.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80Q,90Q
RS122 9 x 15 3.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80Q,90Q
RS135 7 x 16 36.0 108.00 4 65.0 Saab 9000
RS152 7 x 15 25.0 108.00 4 65.0 Saab 9000 bis Bj.8/86
RS159 7 x 15 25.0 108.00 4 65.0 Saab 9000
RS181 9 x 15 3.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Escort
RS182 8 x 15 12.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Escort
RS183 13 x 15 -74.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Capri HA
RS187 9 x 15 -36.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80 Q
RS188 11 x 15 -61.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80 Q HA
RS192 9 x 15 -36.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Capri
RS193 11 x 15 -61.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Capri
RS194 8 x 15 16.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80,90,Quattro
RS210 8 x 16 24.0 108.00 4 65.0 Saab 9000
RS216 7 x 16 22.0 108.00 4 64.0 Ford Mustang
RS217 8 x 16 22.0 108.00 4 64.0 Ford Mustang
RS219 9 x 16 9.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80, 90 Typ 89
RS220 7 x 16 20.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Sierra Cosworth
RS221 8 x 16 20.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Sierra Cosworth HA
RS223 7 x 16 30.0 108.00 4 63.5 Ford Cosworth
RS227 6 1/2 x 15 32.0 108.00 4 65.0 Saab 9000
RS228 9 x 16 22.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80,90
RS288 7 1/2 x 15 32.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80,90,Q Typ 89
RS314 7 1/2 x 16 33.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80,90
RS334 7 1/2 x 17 33.0 108.00 4 57.0 Audi 80;90 Typ 89
RS028 7 x 16 11.0 108.00 5 58.0 Ferrari VA 308,328
RS029 8 x 16 -2.0 108.00 5 67.0 Ferrari HA 308,328
RS084 8 x 15 -1.0 108.00 5 58.0 Ferrari 308 VA
RS085 11 x 15 -39.0 108.00 5 67.0 Ferrari 308 HA
RS109 9 x 16 30.0 108.00 5 0.0 Ferrari Tetarossa VA
RS110 12 1/2 x 15 -3.0 108.00 5 0.0 Ferrari Testarossa
RS111 7 x 16 11.0 108.00 5 65.1 Volvo 740,760
RS112 7 1/2 x 16 17.0 108.00 5 65.1 Volvo 740,760
RS119 10 x 16 43.0 108.00 5 71.0 Ferrari Testarossa HA
RS125 7 x 16 11.0 108.00 5 58.0 Ferrari 328 VA
RS209 7 x 15 15.0 108.00 5 65.1 Volvo 740
RS231 7 x 16 52.0 108.00 5 60.0 Renault R 25 Turbo
RS195 8 x 17 35.0 110.00 5 65.0 Opel Omega,Senator
RS226 8 x 16 30.0 110.00 5 65.0 Opel Omega,Senator
RS284 10 x 17 10.0 110.00 5 65.0 Opel Omega
RS295 8 1/2 x 17 25.0 110.00 5 65.0 Opel Omega
RS008 7 x 16 24.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 116,123,124,126,201
RS009 8 x 16 11.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 107,116,123,126
RS023 8 x 16 24.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 116,123,126,201 HA
RS058 10 x 16 11.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 107,123,126 HA
RS063 9 x 16 11.0 112.00 5 57.0 Audi
RS064 7 x 15 37.0 112.00 5 57.0 Audi 100,200,100 Q,200 Q
RS065 8 x 15 24.0 112.00 5 57.0 Audi 100 Q,200 Q,Quattro
RS077 8 x 16 35.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124,201
RS078 9 x 16 11.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 107,123,126
RS079 10 x 16 -2.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 126
RS088 9 x 15 6.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 107,126 VA
RS089 13 x 15 -58.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 107,126 HA
RS093 8 x 15 12.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 201
RS098 7 x 16 35.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124,201
RS102 10 x 15 -7.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 107,116
RS115 8 x 16 30.0 112.00 5 57.0 Audi 100,200
RS133 8 x 16 21.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 107 ab Bj.9/85
RS142 9 x 16 8.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 107
RS168 10 1/2 x 15 -22.0 112.00 5 57.0 Audi 200 Quattro
RS169 13 x 15 -54.0 112.00 5 57.0 Audi 200 Quattro
RS173 8 x 16 24.0 112.00 5 63.5 Ford Scorpio
RS179 7 x 16 35.0 112.00 5 63.5 Ford Scorpio
RS199 8 x 17 32.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124,24V
RS200 8 1/2 x 17 13.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 126
RS203 9 1/2 x 15 -10.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 126
RS204 12 1/2 x 15 -60.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 126
RS205 9 x 15 -3.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 126
RS206 11 x 15 -31.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 126
RS236 8 1/2 x 17 30.0 112.00 5 57.0 Audi 200 V8
RS251 9 x 16 30.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124 VA
RS252 9 x 16 25.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124 HA
RS276 9 1/2 x 17 0.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124,126 VA
RS277 12 x 17 -45.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124,126 HA
RS289 8 1/2 x 18 20.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 129
RS290 9 1/2 x 18 18.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 129 HA
RS292 10 x 16 30.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124
RS296 8 1/2 x 16 22.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 129 VA
RS702w 8 x 17 35.0 112.00 5 0.0 Audi,MB A4,A6,A8;124,E420,202
RS704w 8 1/2 x 18 22.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124,E500,R129,600
RS705w 10 x 18 20.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 124,E500,R129,600 HA
RS710w 8 1/2 x 18 32.0 112.00 5 0.0 Audi,MB A8;124,E420,202,140
RS711w 10 x 18 40.0 112.00 5 66.5 MB 140
RS095 8 x 16 11.0 114.30 4 60.2 Toyota Celica,Supra
RS155 7 x 15 30.0 114.30 4 71.6 Saab 900
RS207 6 1/2 x 15 34.0 114.30 4 64.1 Honda Legent
RS239 7 x 16 37.0 114.30 4 66.0 Nissan 240 SX
RS241 6 x 14 35.0 114.30 4 66.0 Nissan Bluebird,Silvia
RS280 7 1/2 x 16 35.0 114.30 4 64.1 Honda Accord 90
RS291 8 x 16 30.0 114.30 4 66.0 Nissan 200SX
RS297 7 x 15 40.0 114.30 4 64.1 Honda Accord 90
RS303 7 x 16 40.0 114.30 4 64.1 Honda Accord 90
RS326 7 1/2 x 16 35.0 114.30 4 66.0 Nissan 200 SX,Primera
RS716w 7 x 17 40.0 114.30 4 0.0 Hon.Hyn.Mit.Nissan,Rover
RS214 7 x 15 38.0 114.30 5 59.6 Ford Probe
RS215 7 x 16 38.0 114.30 5 59.6 Ford Probe
RS238 6 1/2 x 15 34.0 114.30 5 66.0 Nissan Maxima
RS250 8 1/2 x 16 25.0 114.30 5 60.0 Toyota Supra
RS254 8 1/2 x 17 28.0 114.30 5 60.0 Toyota Supra
RS268 7 1/2 x 16 30.0 114.30 5 59.5 Mazda 626
RS274 9 x 17 20.0 114.30 5 60.0 Toyota Supra VA
RS275 10 x 17 7.0 114.30 5 60.0 Toyota Supra HA
RS281 7 1/2 x 16 34.0 114.30 5 60.1 Toyota Lexus 400
RS282 7 x 16 35.0 114.30 5 66.0 Nissan Infinity Q 45
RS298 7 1/2 x 15 32.0 114.30 5 66.0 Nissan Infinity Q 45
RS305 7 1/2 x 15 30.0 114.30 5 59.6 Mazda 626 MR2 90
RS306 8 x 16 43.0 114.30 5 70.0 Honda NSX VA
RS307 9 x 17 42.0 114.30 5 64.0 Honda NSX HA
RS325 7 1/2 x 16 30.0 114.30 5 59.6 Ford,Mazda Probe,626/RX 7
RS331 8 x 17 35.0 114.30 5 60.0 Toyota Lexus 400
RS335 8 1/2 x 17 32.0 114.30 5 66.0 Nissan 300 ZX
RS712w 8 x 17 38.0 114.30 5 0.0 Lexus,Toyota,Nissan LS/SC400,Supra,Inf.Q45
RS717w 8 1/2 x 18 40.0 114.30 5 0.0 Mazda,Nissan,Toyota
RS718w 10 x 18 45.0 114.30 5 0.0 Mazda,Nissan,Toyota
RS005 7 x 16 11.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 5/1,5/H,6Cs/1,7,7/1
RS021 8 x 16 11.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 5/1,5/H,6Cs/1,7,7/1
RS022 9 x 16 24.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 5/1,5/H,6Cs/1,7/1,M3
RS061 8 x 16 20.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW M3,M5,5/1,6Cs,7,7/1
RS066 10 x 16 20.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 7,7/1 HA
RS076 10 x 16 11.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 6CS/1,7
RS141 9 x 16 36.0 120.00 5 69.5 Opel Monza
RS147 10 1/2 x 15 -47.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW M1 VA
RS148 13 x 15 -72.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW M1 M635CSi HA
RS149 10 1/2 x 15 -22.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW M635CSi VA
RS153 9 1/2 x 15 -15.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 635CSi
RS154 11 x 15 -72.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 635CSi
RS197 9 1/2 x 17 13.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 5/H,7/1 HA
RS198 8 1/2 x 17 13.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 7/1
RS211 8 x 16 11.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 5/H,7/1
RS212 8 1/2 x 17 13.0 120.00 5 0.0 BMW 5/H,7/1
RS285 8 1/2 x 18 13.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 5/H,7/1,evtl.8
RS286 9 1/2 x 18 13.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 5/H,7/1,7/G,evtl.8 HA
RS302 8 x 17 40.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 3/C
RS700w 8 1/2 x 18 22.0 120.00 5 0.0 BMW 5/neu,7/G
RS701w 10 x 18 25.0 120.00 5 0.0 BMW 5/neu,7/G HA
RS703w 8 x 17 40.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 3/C,3/B,M3
RS708w 9 x 20 22.0 120.00 5 0.0 BMW 5/D,7/G
RS709w 10 x 20 25.0 120.00 5 0.0 BMW 5/D,7/G HA
RS713w 8 x 17 15.0 120.00 5 0.0 BMW 5/H,7/1,5/D
RS714w 8 1/2 x 18 38.0 120.00 5 72.5 BMW 3/C M3
RS020 7 1/2 x 16 30.0 120.65 5 73.9 Jaguar XJ,XJS,XJ40
RS025 9 x 16 36.0 120.65 5 70.3 Chevrolet Corvette VA
RS026 10 x 16 36.0 120.65 5 70.3 Chevrolet Corvette HA
RS027 8 1/2 x 16 30.0 120.65 5 73.9 Jaguar HA XJ,XJS,XJ40
RS091 8 1/2 x 15 3.0 120.65 5 73.9 Jaguar XJ,XJS
RS092 11 x 15 -66.0 120.65 5 73.9 Jaguar XJ,XJS
RS170 11 x 15 -31.0 120.65 5 73.9 Jaguar XJ,XJS
RS171 14 x 15 -54.0 120.65 5 73.9 Jaguar XJ,XJS
RS177 8 1/2 x 16 46.0 120.65 5 70.3 Chevrolet Corvette
RS178 9 1/2 x 17 56.0 120.65 5 70.3 Chevrolet Corvette
RS190 9 x 16 -2.0 120.65 5 73.9 Jaguar
RS191 10 x 16 -2.0 120.65 5 73.9 Jaguar HA
RS719w 8 1/2 x 18 28.0 120.65 5 73.8 Jaguar XJ,XJ-R
RS123 8 x 16 18.0 130.00 4 65.0 Maserati Merak HA
RS124 10 x 16 30.0 130.00 4 65.0 Maserati Merak HA
RS012 7 x 16 23.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944 bis 8/86
RS013 8 x 16 11.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944 bis 8/86
RS014 9 x 16 11.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944 bis 8/86
RS017 8 x 16 62.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928 VA bis Bj.8/85
RS018 9 x 16 36.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928 HA
RS055 9 x 16 15.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944
RS056 8 x 16 28.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944
RS057 10 x 16 23.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944
RS059 10 x 16 11.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928 HA
RS080 9 x 15 28.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944
RS081 11 x 15 28.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944
RS082 9 x 15 2.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944
RS083 13 x 15 -49.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944
RS105 9 1/2 x 15 42.0 130.00 5 71.6 Istera Imperator VA
RS106 12 1/2 x 15 4.0 130.00 5 71.6 Istera Imperator HA
RS113 10 x 16 -15.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928 HA
RS120 11 1/2 x 15 -34.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944
RS126 14 x 15 -54.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930
RS130 10 1/2 x 15 -22.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,930,944
RS131 8 1/2 x 16 56.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928S VA
RS132 9 1/2 x 16 59.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928 S
RS144 11 x 15 -30.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911,944
RS157 7 x 16 49.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 924 S,964 VA
RS161 12 1/2 x 15 5.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928 S HA
RS184 13 x 15 -79.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 911 HA
RS201 10 x 16 49.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 944 HA
RS208 10 x 16 -30.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928
RS255 8 1/2 x 16 56.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928 S VA
RS256 9 1/2 x 16 43.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 928 S HA
RS257 8 x 17 49.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 964 VA
RS258 9 1/2 x 17 52.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 964 HA
RS270 8 1/2 x 17 13.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 964
RS271 10 x 17 0.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 964 HA
RS311 10 x 17 16.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche C62 VA
RS312 13 x 17 -22.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche C62 HA
RS706w 8 1/2 x 18 45.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 993,Turbo
RS707w 10 x 18 50.0 130.00 5 71.6 Porsche 993,Turbo HA

[JK9K]

Saab has had 2 piece BBS wheels as dealer and factory options since the 1980s.

Example, Saab 9-5 with BBS Rk2


As Kris said, yes, lots of car companies have had them as options or standard on certain models.

[silver saloon]

i was gonna say porsches too..

[hamradio]

Wow. That's a lot of cars. I was wondering more of cars sold in the us, but that's quite a bit.

there's an old lancia at the junkyard. I wonder if it has cool wheels on it?

[Digital K]

and thats only 2 styles of wheels.

[JK9K]

Wow. That's a lot of cars. I was wondering more of cars sold in the us, but that's quite a bit.

there's an old lancia at the junkyard. I wonder if it has cool wheels on it?

The thing is that you're not going to see them on your run of the mill, common, point A to point B cars...and that's what the majority of the cars on the road are. And my guess is that since you spend most of your time in and aroudn the St Cloud area, you're not going to see many at all.

[hamradio]

yeah. I've never actually seen a multi piece wheel up close, in person. Just fake ones on ricers.

I've noticed it more and more, most of the cars around here are pontiacs, taurus', and oldsmobuicks.