CHEVY VOLT TO GET 230 MPG rating

[Wireclimer]

I Fucking hate this. VW makes a slew of kick ass diesels meeting US emissions and they rate them at 35 mpg when they are really getting 45-55 and then they give Chevy the pass on saying something that doesn't BURN gas most of the time a 230 MPG rating???
Im not one to cry foul usually but the GOV is IN BED with this company and now its getting a hand job from uncle sam. this is auto discrimination.


http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/11/autos/volt_mpg/index.htm?postversion=2009081108


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[Das VR6]

Government Motors, the new branch of General Motors.

[deeznuts099]

Ya this is some BS...

So let's say the car is driven 50 miles in a day. For the first 40 miles, no gas is used and during the last 10 miles, 0.2 gallons are used. That's the equivalent of 250 miles per gallon. But, if the driver continues on to 80 miles, total fuel economy would drop to about 100 mpg. And if the driver goes 300 miles, the fuel economy would be just 62.5 mpg.

so the longer you drive the worse your mpg gets. I don't understand how they can give them a 250mpg if that's only true if your driving less than 50 miles. But of course they wouldn't give them the 62.5mpg that you would get with that car if you drove it 300 miles

[Topher]

Meh. I was there yesterday at their design center and test drove some new and pre-production cars.

I have to say I'm really impressed with some of the cars that will be coming out in the next 2-3years.

Even the Aveo was bad ass, if the production model looks anything like the pre-pro model, it will handily outsell the Honda Fit, etc.

As for diesel. If you make it, doesn't mean they will come.

Americans are weird. We drive automatic transmissions and use gas. Diesel is a foreign idea to many people, minus enthusiasts.

And the Volt is a truly remarkable car. I met with the lead designer and the product manager yesterday, that car is quite the shit.

Bob Lutz told us they are looking to be privately held (again) in the next couple years.

[hamradio]

I don't think the volt is bad.


I'd say about 75% of all driving I do is <50 mile trips. I would imagine the same could be said for many people.

[Topher]

I don't think the volt is bad.


I'd say about 75% of all driving I do is <50 mile trips. I would imagine the same could be said for many people.

The average one-way commute in the US is 16mi each way. (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/Traffic/Story?id=485098&page=1)

GM said yesterday, that they were more concerned with gas degradation from people not using the gas in the tank for months at a time

[Wireclimer]

not saying its not a good car, not saying if things were different i would not buy one. I'm just mad about the economy numbers. it seems like an unfair measure system being set up by a government agency for a gov owned car.

Any other situation like that would require a discloseure or indepenant verification. Imagine if I started a car company... Logan's autos, and then insituted the Logan lab of units and measures and certified my own cars as 1000mpg cars? (by the logan system) I could Lie like a rug about it then!

What would a TDI's be if you gave it a free 40 miles? I ask because the miles are not free. they come from a power grid that uses a coal or nuke fired steam turbine (or if your really lucky a wind terbine or photovoltaics) But the fuel rating there is giving them away for free. If it said 230 MPG with use of .001 ton of CO2 from your average utility grid system + acid rain from making this huge Lithium battery I would shut up

[sprstu]

but you see, logan, you are missing the point here; the chevy volt is magic, and once you come to terms with that you too will see the bright side. We all know that when you pug something into an outlet that the power feeding in comes from unicorns and puppydog farts and how could those things possibly hurt the environment or our wallets? Just imagine a world where all american households have 4 or 5 volts plugged in at any given time, why we would go from a pollution leading country to a carbon neutral company over night! cant you see it? Plus, each house would be saving thousands of dollars a month by not buying gas and instead buying a $40k car and battery replacement packs every 5 years. These numbers cant lie, dude, they come from a trusted source. Every american will make money by driving a volt, its simple arithmetic: steal underpants + buy a volt = profits. its all sunsets and rainbows from now on, there is no other way to look at it.

side note, i do believe for the 7th harry potter movie GM has a sponsorship in place that will take Harry's 'Nimbus 2000' and change its name to 'Volt 230'. GM saw how cool their cars looked and ho much market presence they gained by jumping into Transformers that the next logical step is name replacement in the next mega box office hit.

[Sven7]

they should drive it til it dies and measure that mpg.

but let's not get caught up in details. a range extended electric is a HUGE step forward for the automotive industry, especially Chevy. I'm rooting for it. Quasi-environmentalists such as myself have been wondering if this car would pull through for some years now, and I'm very enthused to learn it will be produced.

[Topher]

they should drive it til it dies and measure that mpg.

but let's not get caught up in details. a range extended electric is a HUGE step forward for the automotive industry, especially Chevy. I'm rooting for it. Quasi-environmentalists such as myself have been wondering if this car would pull through for some years now, and I'm very enthused to learn it will be produced.

Wow. I'm agreeing with you.

Everything comes at an "extended" cost.

It takes energy to refine fuel, energy to get it to the gas station, energy to power the gas station, etc.

Everything comes at a cost.

This car is a giant leap forward for GM. And a much needed one.

I do agree that the measurement is a little wonky, but this is prior to the official EPA measurement, so I wouldn't get caught up in arms.

[audivwdave]

Nissan put the smack down on the volt saying their leaf ev will do 637 mpg,but of course its an all electric car.

[Sven7]

http://cardesignnews.com/servlet/file/168796_2_preview.jpg?ITEM_ENT_ID=168796&ITEM_VERSION=1&COLLSPEC_ENT_ID=1&FILE_SERVICE_CONF_ID=2



Nissan Leaf
Nissan unveiled the Leaf at its new headquarters in Japan this past weekend. The five passenger C-segment electric vehicle measures 4445mm long, 1770mm wide and 1550mm tall and was built on an all-new platform. It will be launched in the Japanese, US and European markets in late 2010.
Characterized by a V-shape front end, the Leaf's long, up-slanting LED headlamps stand proud of the surrounding surfaces and have been designed to split and redirect airflow away from the door mirrors. A flowing featureline extends the length of the car, accenting the dynamic DLO which narrows at the rear, while slender LED taillamps flank the rear hatch. "The styling will identify not only Nissan Leaf but also the owner as a participant in the new era of zero-emission mobility," chief designer Masato Inoue said.
Inside, the cabin features an elegant floating center stack finished in black laquer and a short shift-by-wire gearstick. A twin digital instrument readout, placed directly ahead of the driver, is illuminated in blue and indicators on the IP upper indicate the charge level for its laminated compact lithium-ion batteries.


the leaf is prettier IMO

[zurno]

I think they referred to the 230 MPG as the urban cycle rating for the fuel consumption. I would imagine more people don't put on a ton of miles every day in the city so it would be applicable.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/chevy-volt-gets-230-mpg-but-how/

[zurno]

Nissan put the smack down on the volt saying their leaf ev will do 637 mpg,but of course its an all electric car.

I heard 367. (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/nissan-pokes-fun-at-the-volt-claims-367-mpg-equivalent-for-leaf/#comments)

[alpineE30]

per their report, i believe what they say and good luck to them. i saw them and the info on bloomnerg this afternoon my time.

[JK9K]

I drive less than 50 miles per day to and from work...and for most days even running around to do other stuff nets me less than 50 miles.

Obviously they have to draw a line somewhere. Would it be fair to start doing miles per coil pack ratings, or miles per spark plug ratings and other costs not associated with with that fuel economy rating? Sometimes I think my BMW should have a miles per axle rating...but it doesn't.

And unfair? C'mon, what is this, kindiegarten? The found a way to market a car that uses very little fuel to their advantage, noting stopping VW from bringing a plug-in diesel electric hybrid to the states and one-upping GM...

[Digital K]

face it guys, the combustion engine's days are numbered. It will at some point become purely a novelty.

[Sven7]

face it guys, the combustion engine's days are numbered. It will at some point become purely a novelty.

this

[hamradio]

I agree with kris.


I think a plugin electric vehicle is a lot more viable option than a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle.

[audivwdave]

I heard 367. (http://www.autoblog.com/2009/08/11/nissan-pokes-fun-at-the-volt-claims-367-mpg-equivalent-for-leaf/#comments)

Oops typo....I think I got carried away with the GREEN haha

[zurno]

Oops typo....I think I got carried away with the GREEN haha

thought so since it had the correct digits, just wrong order

[FrankD]

Why did this picture show up next to the Chevy Volt article cluster when I pulled up my Google news feed?

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/4119/picture1rdn.png

[audivwdave]

Ive always said the combustion engine is ancient technology.

[Sven7]

30% efficiency isn't quite futuristic :/

[mimalmo]

Audi President calls it like it is...

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/blogs/autosblogpost.aspx?post=1247701

[CaRJoE0220]

they should drive it til it dies and measure that mpg.

Missed this. 330 Miles on a full tank. I have no idea the tank size.

Saw when they talked about it on CNBC

[derp]

i get unlimited miles per gallon, as long as i roll down hills with the engine off.