Team Cougar Bait

[Champ]

After the great success we had last year running the 24 hours of lemons in Toledo, Ohio with a 1991 Saab 9000, we decided to take it on again this year.

The members that are active here (eurowerks) and on the team are:
Topher
JK
Saabexile
Champ

For those that missed all the updates last year, here is the culture garage link:
http://culturegarage.com/category/cougarbait/

Start back on page 9.

Here is the link to the thread here on Eurowerks:
http://www.eurowerks.org/showthread.php?t=10589

[Champ]

Working on the new car:

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a 1994 Saab 900 V6 N/A.

I'm looking around for more pics..

[Champ]

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rust that is sure to be an issue:
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[tobin999]

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[audivwdave]

Team cougar bait
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[palmer]

Who's your pit crew?

[Topher]

Marty/Mike of Meyer Garage...hopefully. We haven't ironed all of that out. Luckily we have until October.

[palmer]

Ah, I see.

[SlimMJS]

thanks for adding in, fellas!!

[Eyedeas]

That 24 hrs things sounds badass and I would like to help in some way. When is the race usually and how can I be apart of Team Cougar Bait?

[Topher]

The race is in October this year.

And the one we are going to is on a much more interesting track than last year:

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I am not going to speak for the rest of the team, but I don't think we are looking to increase the size of the team. In fact, we regretablly let a driver go this year to make for quicker driver change over, etc.

Our goal is to place in the top 10%.

[Eyedeas]

Alright, sounds good. That track looks fun to drive. I hope you guys place above your expected goals this year!

[JK9K]

The race we will do this year is 3-4th of October, 2009

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/events/lamestday09/

The track is Nelson Ledges Road Course in Garrettsville OH. It is a 2 mile road course unlike the fairly boring 3/4 mile oval (with a tiny bit of infield) that we did last year.

For involvement we will have probably 2 "official" pit crew members. We already have those close to squared away with some predetermined alternates on deck. However we would be grateful for anyone who wants to spend the weekend with us, but driving down and paying for any of your expenses cannot be on our dime - we're just not that rich ;)

As we found out last year, this proves to be much more expensive that a person might assume a $500 car race would be. Cost of the car is least expensive aspect by far. Last summer I believe the 6 person team probably had over $1200/ea invested in this race - not including the price of the car, which I offered up for free from my personal stash.

We hope to get the car in track-able condition before spring so we can work the kinks out at some autocross and rally-cross events. We will also hold some sort of "Lemons Party" ;) to hopefully raise a bit of cash (BBQ + Kegs type thing with a nominal donation to the team).

Sponsorships are another great thing for us, no matter how small. We'd love to know of any place that might be interested in helping us out in exchange for ad space on the car and recognition anywhere else where we will chronicle the build and the race.

[JK9K]

I am not going to speak for the rest of the team, but I don't think we are looking to increase the size of the team. In fact, we regretablly let a driver go this year to make for quicker driver change over, etc.


While its true that we are not going to increase the size of the official team, we would openly welcome anyone who wishes to join us at the race.

Like I said above, we cannot pay for more than 2 pit crew members, but anyone who wants to follow us down, hang out and watch, or even help in some regard is more than welcome.

It is a really fun thing to watch and I think we would appreciate any fans of helpers who want to come down on their own dime!

[Topher]

Big ups for Kris stopping by to take photos and for tagging along during the build process!

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[Digital K]

Big ups for Kris stopping by to take photos and for tagging along during the build process!

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On a very important note...


eurowerks is proud to sponsor the Team as well. The club is in to help cover expenses to help get the boys there and back successfully. :)

[Toftii88]

awesome

[Champ]

On a very important note...


eurowerks is proud to sponsor the Team as well. The club is in to help cover expenses to help get the boys there and back successfully. :)

Woooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!


:happydance: :worthy:

[JTapper]

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Ghey.





Diggin' the chrome horns.

[Topher]

On a very important note...


eurowerks is proud to sponsor the Team as well. The club is in to help cover expenses to help get the boys there and back successfully. :)



More on that soon!

We'll also be throwing a party for eurowerks, et al.

If anyone knows of a good location, please let me/jk9k/kris/etc know.

If we can't find anything we'll end up having a get together at my house so everyone can see the car once it's painted and decaled up.

:wub:

[Digital K]

I have a more "flat" backyard, and unlimited empty street parking. we could do it here.

[Topher]

You mean you have a back yard! Mine is on a perpetually collapsing boulder retained hill.

The only dilemma is getting the car to your place, maybe we can rent a dolley or something for that day.

[Digital K]

yeah I suppose. we'll talk more about this in person/phone/IM....

[JK9K]

awesome


Woooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!


:happydance: :worthy:

Yes, very awesome and wooooo indeed! We are pumped and very, very happy about the support from the club! Many thanks!

[CaRJoE0220]

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So can we get names to the usernames.

Beside you Topher. Can't go more then a day on this forum without your face poking it's way in.

[Topher]

Champ is on the front right. DougEfresh is back left. Jk9k is center back. Sitz is back right.

[Digital K]

not pictured: my dong.

[Champ]

not pictured: my dong.
Was just short of the frame, I remember thinking that when you were taking the picture.

[JTapper]

not pictured: my dong.

macro....try it sometime ;)

[slobuny]

macro....try it sometime ;)

You be quiet.

[JTapper]

You be quiet.


Then pose for some pics on the Volvo (the ones mentioned when it was purchased), hide them in the car, and I will buy it.

[JK9K]

Been doin' some paaaaaintin'

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[JTapper]

I like it.

[vweezly]

Where did you get the tube bent? I need to get a main hoop bent for the rabbit. Awesome work so far guys!

[Champ]

Where did you get the tube bent? I need to get a main hoop bent for the rabbit. Awesome work so far guys!
Where are you racing it?

We did the bending ourselves with a hydraulic tube bender from Northern.

[Digital K]

Then pose for some pics on the Volvo (the ones mentioned when it was purchased), hide them in the car, and I will buy it.

haha riiiiiight. :P

progress looks nice guys!

[JK9K]

It would look a lot sweeter if the car was no so damn dented up...

:D

I think it will take a few days for that rustoleum to dry up, I sprayed that shit on there THICK, but once it dries well enough we will start adding the finishing touches to the paint, and then move on to the vinyl for the sponsors! WHEEE! I should probably figure out a way to get that seat in there too, so we could drive it or something.

[Digital K]

milk crate

[JK9K]

Got most of the wiring issues we had sorted out. Battery is in the trunk, power at the motor, kill switch installed, etc. Only problem we're having right now is that the cooling fan does not kick on. Not sure why yet, we'll have to trace that down in the next few days...

Anyway, just a short video of the motor running. These Opel 2.5 V6s actually sound pretty nice, at least the intake noise it nice right now. The full stock exhaust is still on, just once we cut that and do a nice tire warmer side exit the exhaust note should sounds pretty decent as well.

enjoy!

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[Digital K]

not running the exhaust on the roof?

[JK9K]

not running the exhaust on the roof?

I can't see any way to get it up there. There is not exactly a plethora of room around the motor to run exhaust. I suppose I could run it out the side, along the fender and then up, but that would be pointless since it would take a little bit of contact then we'd have a smashed flat exhaust.

Trust me, I've looked at it a lot, and either the exhaust would be running by rubber hoses, wiring, or fuel lines...not gonna happen. We'll have to be happy with side exit. No skin off my back, less work for me!

[hamradio]

Front fender exit exhaust. :thumbup:

[JK9K]

Front fender exit exhaust. :thumbup:

against the ROOOOLS

[Nevr]

hey! id like to stop by and pick up a shirt, as well as send a little donation your way... this is a truly awesome event and i hope to be at least a little bit involved in this for the coming years you guys participate.

can somebody pm me a number to call for details on the shirt and meetup?

[JK9K]

Thanks man!

I think Topher has the shirts and stuff...he is out of town right now, but I'll let him know to let you know! I don't know when he'll be back or where he has the shirts.

[Topher]

I'm thinking we will have another gtg date for working on the car on Saturday.

Team?

Others?

Kris, et al are welcome, as usual.

[TTaM]

i could bring an assload of cheap beer and some hammers. what were you planning on getting done this weekend?

[Topher]

Brakes, coils, wires, paint, drinking, general bench racing, talking about sexual conquests, making fun of Jessop, me getting made fun of, etc

[Lendo]

I've got a meet in Burnsville, otherwise I'd attend.

Make sure to wear plenty of sunscreen!

[JK9K]

Brakes, coils, wires, paint, drinking, general bench racing, talking about sexual conquests, making fun of Jessop, me getting made fun of, etc

You guys can make fun of me extra hard behind my back style since I won't be around on Saturday!


I've got a meet in Burnsville, otherwise I'd attend.

Make sure to wear plenty of sunscreen!

For basketball camp?

[Topher]

Are we even meeting on Saturday?

I'm confused.

[JK9K]

I have no idea, I said in the email yesterday that I was not available Saturday, probably not Sunday as well...I think Mike said he was not available Saturday either.

[Champ]

We should discuss day to meet this weekend.

[Topher]

I get confused with our discussions on forums and via email. Sorry.

[Lendo]

Topher should throw a party.

[TickTack]

I'd stop by tomorrow if you guys are workin. I've got a wedding in the evening and don't really wanna make the trip out to wings and wheels.

[Topher]

We aren't working on Saturday. We are around noon on Sunday, though.

[Champ]

Stop by Sunday!

[Digital K]

I'm thinking we will have another gtg date for working on the car on Saturday.

Team?

Others?

Kris, et al are welcome, as usual.

I think I'll be at wings/wheels tomorrow.

edit: oic sunday. I think I have photo stuff.

[JK9K]

A little video I took of the old spark plug wires doin' what they do so well...sparking.

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New ones are on the way. Also got out 308mm Frozen Rotors cryo treated brake rotors as well as calipers from a 2001 9-5 Aero for the front, and we have some Raybestos endurance race compound pads on the way. Need to get the front hubs machined down to fit the smaller rotor hats that the 308mm 9-5 Aero rotors have compared to the stock 900 rotors.

Fixed an issue with our cooling fan too, no more over heating! Whee!

[Champ]

Yay for staying cool!

[hirsch]

Topher, please bring me a CB shirt to Nelson Ledges. I'll pay for it when I get there.

[JK9K]

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:D

[megafr0]

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:D

that looks really fucking cool.

[Champ]

We altered one of our pit bikes to be a gas hauler:

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[Topher]

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[vweezly]

I like the paint.

[Champ]

I like the paint.
It looks surprisingly good for a white sharpie and rustoleum spray paint.

We also painted the gas hauler to match the car... :happydance:

[JK9K]

Whee!!! Just over a week left...and we're damn close bust still have some junk on the list.

We have been pretty busy lately, scratching other items off our long list of shit to do:

Got the Takata cam lock harness installed, along with the race seat mounted to modified Saab sliders. New plug wires are in, new wheel bearings installed, 2001 9-5 Aero brakes with Frozen Rotors cryo treated rotors. Pressed in new front wheel bearings (compliments of Meyer Garage - thanks as always!), did some more minor prep work to get all the little junk up to spec...most of that is just boring detail stuff...

Our Raybestos ST43 endurance race brake pads were SUPPOSED to show up today, but the company we bought them from fucked up BIG TIME, and gave us totally wrong pads. Not acceptable for the amount of money these things cost, but it sounds like it will be rectified.

Also, I was not satisfied with the front end of the ng900, not nearly beefy enough...so I fixed that up with some tube all over the place up there :mrgreen:

I don't think it will fend off a wall like we encountered last year, but it should help against some of the minor bumping and grinding.

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[Digital K]

Looks angry from the front.

[Die Frau]

Sweet. I hope you guys have tons of fun.

[Nevr]

i figured out the paint job!

Awesome!

[Champ]

Check out the facebook page (posted somewhere in this thread) and we have some more videos of the car ;)

[Champ]

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[JK9K]

Been very busy at work recently with my relativly new sales position...so I have not had the time to spend internetting during the day (which is good, really).

We drove the car a bit on Saturday and the thing was in need of an alignment in a REALLY bad way, but aside from that was more or less "done-ish"

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The car pulled to each side really bad and pretty unpredicably, but it drove. We made a special appointment with "Jeff the Alignment Guy" for Sunday, borrowed Jeff's car dolley and brought it over to his shop. He did good work, he was able to coax more camber out of the front end and got the terrible toe-out problems sorted for us.

We took it for some shake-down runs to get the brakes somewhat bedded in and get a little feel for the new alignment. I didn't drive it, but apparently it plows about as good as one might expect :lol:

A little video of it taking a corner on cold tires:
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Initial impressions of the Raybestos ST43 is that they bite well. They are a real race pad and they are priced as such, but the people at Raybestos said they are popular for the 24 hours of lemons and should not have any issues lasting the race.


Also, anyone want to have a guess at the weight of the car? Moon roof removed, only glass is the front windshield, hatch removed, since Corbeu fixed back race seat, full roll cage, 2.5 V6, 5 speed manual trans, 1/4 tank of gas.

One of us was able to get 10 lbs, and another one of us guessed the F/R weight distribution almost right on!

A big cookie to anyone here who get it...

[TTaM]

2666lbs

[hamradio]

2300 lbs.

[JK9K]

whoops!

[hamradio]

That was an odd double post.

[liketheword]

I am going with 2450lbs. 60/40 bias.

[JK9K]

2666lbs


Way off.

[hamradio]

2150.


Is it just me, or are the hatches on ng900s stupidly heavy?

[JK9K]

2150.


Is it just me, or are the hatches on ng900s stupidly heavy?

That's what someone told us, but when we took it off it did not seem that bad. I can probably get a weight on it tonight...

[JTapper]

2001lbs

[BimmerTim]

2002lbs

[Toftii88]

2113

[JTapper]

2003.

[Topher]

2666

70/30

car is almost ready just waiting on ew vinyl

[hamradio]

Over 9000.

[JK9K]

Matt was right...

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[Topher]

Still no EW vinyl? Can someone follow up with Matt (slim)? I'm at a funeral in KY.

[TTaM]

Where's my cookie

[TickTack]

Still no EW vinyl? Can someone follow up with Matt (slim)? I'm at a funeral in KY.
If you get stuck on this, I could possibly make something work if it meant the difference between getting the eurowerks name on the car and not. Lemme know.

[SlimMJS]

vinyl is done yesterday. I wanna see a photo!

[TickTack]

vinyl is done yesterday. I wanna see a photo! :thumbup:

[Champ]

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Stickers looked awesome. The thing looked sweet comin around the track. We had 2 separate teams come up and ask us if we belonged to eurowerks from MN. So that was pretty sweet!

Thanks for the sponsorship guys, sorry we couldn't deliver! (for those that don't know, engine locked up 1 hour into the race because Morrie's Saab used silicone gasket sealer on the oil pan, and the pick-up got clogged.)

We'll get this thread updated soon enough once we get everything sorted out (stories / photo's / video, etc)

[BimmerTim]

Either way, pretty awesome guys.

[SlimMJS]

I wonder if anyone got photos of it racing?!?!

[Champ]

I wonder if anyone got photos of it racing?!?!
Lots, just gotta sort through them!

[SlimMJS]

woot!

[Champ]

Here are a couple some of the guys (from a Saab online forum) who came to watch the race with us took:
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passing a RX7 while chasing a cheetah print volvo wagon:
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:(
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[Bam]

im sorry in so many ways...

[Topher]

Not your fault man. It was bound to happen at one point. Plus Morries did the engine swap, not you.

No biggies. We don't expect a crate engine out of a less than $500 car.

[BimmerTim]

I just started following you assholes on twitter. I never even thought I would join Twitter.

[TTaM]

Not your fault man. It was bound to happen at one point. Plus Morries did the engine swap, not you.

No biggies. We don't expect a crate engine out of a less than $500 car.

Doesn't he work @ Morries? I think that is why he is especially sad

[Topher]

I thought it was because it was his car we bought.

[TTaM]

Doubly sorry then.

I think the real issue at hand was you entered a Saab

[Bam]

Doesn't he work @ Morries? I think that is why he is especially sad

I do. it is.

[Bam]

I thought it was because it was his car we bought.

yes. this too.

[Champ]

I just started following you assholes on twitter. I never even thought I would join Twitter.
Just wait until we start rebuilding the engine. We are going to try and have some... fun with it.

Going to come help?!?

[SlimMJS]

love it!

[Digital K]

Stickers looked awesome. The thing looked sweet comin around the track. We had 2 separate teams come up and ask us if we belonged to eurowerks from MN. So that was pretty sweet!

Thanks for the sponsorship guys, sorry we couldn't deliver! (for those that don't know, engine locked up 1 hour into the race because Morrie's Saab used silicone gasket sealer on the oil pan, and the pick-up got clogged.)

We'll get this thread updated soon enough once we get everything sorted out (stories / photo's / video, etc)

cannot believe people still use that stuff on oil pans. I've heard of this happening a few times on vw's. Dumb dumb dumb. :( thats too bad!

[Topher]

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[Digital K]

I dont get it. I've seen what I thought of as experienced car enthusiasts do this. You must be irate. I would be... :/


we still love you. car looks rad. bummer on the early out....

[Topher]

It's hard to be too mad. No one was at fault. The good news is, all the shit is done and ready, brakes are perfect, cage is set, so we don't have to worry about any of that, basically it's just some cheapie stuff (new bearings) or drop the new motor (was given to us at the race by another team) in.

So the cost of next race is going to be much cheaper, with just the RV and entry fee being the expensive part. No worries about buying $300 brake pads, etc.

The sponsorship was huge in helping with all of that, and it was awesome having people asking if we were associated with the EW Show, etc.

[Digital K]

thats rad, and good to hear. its awesome to know we are notorious :P

[Toftii88]

you should bring the car to the show next year!

[Champ]

you should bring the car to the show next year!
That's a pretty good possibility.

[BimmerTim]

Just wait until we start rebuilding the engine. We are going to try and have some... fun with it.

Going to come help?!?

Yeah, that's what inner circle friends are for.

[Topher]

Yeah, that's what inner circle friends are for.

Damn it.

[JK9K]

cannot believe people still use that stuff on oil pans. I've heard of this happening a few times on vw's. Dumb dumb dumb. :( thats too bad!

Yeah, it was a pretty big bummer.

I was bummed because I had an oil pressure gauge that could have gone in the car, but it was never at the top of the priority list...just one of those things that would have been good to do. I guess it will make its way in with the next motor.

Other than that, even when the car was probably slowly eating away at its bearing it was running great. There were certainly faster cars out there, but I had a feeling we could have done quite well had it not been for that one issue.

Hopefully we can take this chance to use a slightly higher displacement bottom end and get a little more power out of the car.

Thanks for the support, and as others have said, sorry we didn't deliver on a half respectable finish.



PS - fuck silicone gasket maker :bangin:

[Champ]

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gYVsGAouYOg/SstjgtdtIJI/AAAAAAAASpU/Ahnp1oxHo-o/s800/IMG_6082e.jpg

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gYVsGAouYOg/Sstju4FuLPI/AAAAAAAASsE/QqvkVAra7VY/s800/IMG_6090.JPG

Here we are passing a VW:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gYVsGAouYOg/SstkHF2YK6I/AAAAAAAASv0/qGHkCublVLI/s800/IMG_6134.JPG

Here we are passing another VW, with a sequence of shots to show speed differential:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_gYVsGAouYOg/SstjntraZbI/AAAAAAAASqU/ZjaMG2Ki0i4/s800/IMG_6011.JPG

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_gYVsGAouYOg/SstjoJjmT0I/AAAAAAAASqc/FPf71cXe-2w/s800/IMG_6012.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_gYVsGAouYOg/SstjooSRHQI/AAAAAAAASqk/1SvzbmyRTVA/s800/IMG_6013.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_gYVsGAouYOg/SstjpF3NnmI/AAAAAAAASqs/RjtGlpCxZo4/s800/IMG_6014.JPG

[GAA]

So what is the next race you're shooting for?

[hamradio]

There *is* one of these at BIR on June 5....


http://chumpcar.com/

[Digital K]

seems legit.

[Topher]

There *is* one of these at BIR on June 5....


http://chumpcar.com/

It's not a true 24hr race. It's seven hours one day. And seven hours the next (with the track shut down for 8-12hrs in between.

But seeing as the car is built... we'll probably do it, because it would be cheap and close.

[Champ]

latest photoshop:

http://www.mnsportbikeriders.com/forums/uploads/monthly_10_2009/msg-214-1254863340.jpg

[Digital K]

lol rad. when is that brainerd thing again? maybe I could roll up if not busy

[GAA]

Champ -

You should add "Good Oil Pressure Sender" to that photochop.

[Digital K]

still interested to hear the response from the person responsible.

[Bam]

cannot believe people still use that stuff on oil pans. I've heard of this happening a few times on vw's. Dumb dumb dumb. :( thats too bad!

I dont know when this was done so I dont know for sure if they are still doing that kinda of stuff up there. It is kinda crazy though.

[Topher]

Chump Car is June 5-6. What was the responsibility question in regards to?

[Bam]

still interested to hear the response from the person responsible.

and this means???

[Digital K]

didnt someone say morries put the oil pan on? I would have called to complain and mention it so it doesnt happen to some other person.

if it was one of you guys that did it, I'll just call you retarded :P

[Bam]

didnt someone say morries put the oil pan on? I would have called to complain and mention it so it doesnt happen to some other person.

if it was one of you guys that did it, I'll just call you retarded :P

how do we know someone from morries did this? was there an invoice in the car?

[Topher]

We had the service history pulled by a Saab dealer

[Bam]

We had the service history pulled by a Saab dealer

Which one? Did you also say that the motor was replaced as well?

[Topher]

Which one? Did you also say that the motor was replaced as well?

Our sponsor, Iowa City Saab and Meyer Garage. We had the whole warranty and service history.

Morries did the engine replacement about 60k mi ago (assuming mileage on car was correct).

But we bought the car for sub-$500 so non of us are crying (that much).

[Bam]

Our sponsor, Iowa City Saab and Meyer Garage. We had the whole warranty and service history.

Morries did the engine replacement about 60k mi ago (assuming mileage on car was correct).

But we bought the car for sub-$500 so non of us are crying (that much).

I am wondering how they got our records. Im sure they were able to pull the warranty records, but our service records would be harder to get.

I know you guys are cool with everything. It just seemed like chris for some reason wanted some answers.

[Bam]

and about the mileage thing... i remember thinking that the odo. moved pretty slow at times.

[JK9K]

Just checked the service history that our guys in Iowa checked, the block was replaced in 1998 at dealer number 433 (claim made 07/28/98)...so complaining or letting Morrie's know about it would not do much good.

and for fun, here's what the pick up tube looked like when we removed it

http://culturegarage.com/images/uploads/silicone.jpg

and this is most of the shit we got out of it, and a few of the "rod bearings" that were peeled off the crank

http://culturegarage.com/images/uploads/bearings.jpg

[Champ]

and this means???
For the record none of us are remotely upset with you. That's the chance we take racing $500 cars! We knew that going into it.

[CarRacer]

Sorry you guys had bad luck. We encountered the same fate later on in the race. Our radiator cap decided 3AM was a good time to stop holding pressure and the driver continued driving. He made it back to the pits somehow and that's as far as it got. He locked it up tight but I can't expect much more from a rookie.

It was nice to see a few other people from MN make the haul down there to get rained on and play in the mud.

[Champ]

Sorry you guys had bad luck. We encountered the same fate later on in the race. Our radiator cap decided 3AM was a good time to stop holding pressure and the driver continued driving. He made it back to the pits somehow and that's as far as it got. He locked it up tight but I can't expect much more from a rookie.

It was nice to see a few other people from MN make the haul down there to get rained on and play in the mud.
What were you guys driving? Did you stop by on Friday to say hi?

[Topher]

I'm assuming that was the team that was running the Escort.

[Digital K]

I should run the rabbit diesel next year. :) 200$ car = 300$ worth of goodies I could put on :P the thing gets 32mpg at WOT for the entire tank. (11 gallons)

[hamradio]

I get 32 mpg with my diesel driving conservatively, and 32 mpg beating the piss out of it.

[Champ]

I'm assuming that was the team that was running the Escort.
I don't think they had a problem with their rad though. I think they were only off for black flags. Also, as in this guys story they locked up their engine, while the escort was still running @ checker.

[Bam]

For the record none of us are remotely upset with you. That's the chance we take racing $500 cars! We knew that going into it.

I hate all of you.:beer:

[Bam]

did you guys replace the fuel pump or did you run it the way it was? Also, what did you guys do about the "clutch cable"?

[CarRacer]

We were the guys with the #121 Buick Regal.

[Topher]

We were the guys with the #121 Buick Regal.

Was that the Team Final Gear (the ones with the partner car)?

Or was it Team Never Been Laid, I get all the damn teams confused.

[JK9K]

Was that the Team Final Gear (the ones with the partner car)?

Or was it Team Never Been Laid, I get all the damn teams confused.

I think Team NBL was #24 or something, these must have been different guys, maybe an older gen RWD Regal? Was there even one of those at the race?

[JK9K]

did you guys replace the fuel pump or did you run it the way it was? Also, what did you guys do about the "clutch cable"?

What was the issue with the fuel pump? We did fix fuel lines that was held on with no clamps and secured to the pump using tape...

Other than that I just brought about 2.5 spare pumps along. 1 full assembly, one 3/4 assembly, and one insert.

The fuel sending unit must be fubar'd because it would read 1/2 tank when it was totally full. I should probably add that to the off season "fix it" list.

[Bam]

What was the issue with the fuel pump? We did fix fuel lines that was held on with no clamps and secured to the pump using tape...

Other than that I just brought about 2.5 spare pumps along. 1 full assembly, one 3/4 assembly, and one insert.

The fuel sending unit must be fubar'd because it would read 1/2 tank when it was totally full. I should probably add that to the off season "fix it" list.

the pump was newer, and the tape/glue on the lines was my doing. I just wanted the thing to run. I got in the habit of not wearing my seat belt after doing that because I figured that when the car caught on fire the belt would only slow me down in getting out.. I know it was bad but it worked.

[CarRacer]

Yeah, we were Team Short Bus. It was the black and blue regal.





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[JK9K]

the pump was newer, and the tape/glue on the lines was my doing. I just wanted the thing to run. I got in the habit of not wearing my seat belt after doing that because I figured that when the car caught on fire the belt would only slow me down in getting out.. I know it was bad but it worked.

We covered that huge hole with some sheet metal and riveted it into place. They have rules against having OEM type fuel tanks being exposed to the passenger space. And the lines have been fixed.

Good to hear the pump is new-ish. Did you just do an insert? If so, I might swap that into a housing with a functional sending unit.

[TTaM]

As seen on Jalopnik

http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_LNL09-Top-120.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/5375987//gallery/?selectedImage=120

[dubswede]

that's a great image.

[Bam]

Good to hear the pump is new-ish. Did you just do an insert? If so, I might swap that into a housing with a functional sending unit.

insert... car demands sending unit pleazzzzzzzz

[hirsch]

Yeah, we were Team Short Bus. It was the black and blue regal.





http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs205.snc1/7222_1152228804190_1181758221_30413028_7629088_n.j pg

You guys were pitted across from Team NBL.

[Tiina]

As seen on Jalopnik

http://cache-04.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_LNL09-Top-120.jpg

http://jalopnik.com/5375987//gallery/?selectedImage=120

Which of you baiter boyz did the hot lap???

:thumbup: Congrats on the fastest lap, very nice!

edit: my money is on champ... or maybe JK... ;)

[JTapper]

Which of you baiter boyz did the hot lap???

:thumbup: Congrats on the fastest lap, very nice!

edit: my money is on champ... or maybe JK... ;)

They didn't have the fastest lap, it was just THEIR best lap, not the track's.

All laps aside, I think they had the best looking lemon.

[Topher]

That was Champ. He was the only one that got to race.

[Topher]

They didn't have the fastest lap, it was just THEIR best lap, not the track's.

All laps aside, I think they had the best looking lemon.


It looked great. But there were some other really good looking cars there.

http://cache-01.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_LNL09-Top-104.jpg

[Tiina]

They didn't have the fastest lap, it was just THEIR best lap, not the track's.

All laps aside, I think they had the best looking lemon.

must of mis-read... oh well, still good job and it is a great looking lemon


That was Champ. He was the only one that got to race.
:thumbup: with a name like champ... go figure!

[Champ]

I got "elected" to go first.

[jungle]

You guys see this year's schedule!?!?! Lemons is going from 10 races to 23 this year!!!!! They are doing MAM and Autobahn, both of which are under a 7 hour tow! So combine that w/ the Chump Car Challenge doing BIR and Iowa Speed Way....that is four enduro's with-in 7 hours! I gotta get started on a car!!!

[Champ]

Yea we are pretty freakin pumped! We are picking up one of the new engine possibilities tonight to get started on fixing the car.

[Digital K]

I would love to build one. unfortunately the 200$ car I just scored is too nice :( I'd like to do a 1.6L rabbit. get some sick mpg and not THAT slow...

[Topher]

You're good at finding cars. I'm sure you can find another one. The hard part is... building a cage and adhering to all of the rules.

Oh and the first year is a bitch when it comes to money, expect to spend ~$600 per driver for safety equipment (fireproof clothing/suits).

Would certainly be cool to race against/with some other people we knew.

[Digital K]

maybe if I make it a diesel I can not do the fire stuff. :D

[Topher]

Clever. However, diesel teams have to have full suits as well.

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2009/10/500x_LNL09-Top-007.jpg

[Digital K]

i saw that thing. cant imagine a worse car for this...they are so friggin slow. although a rabbit diesel is slower.


I'll see how mine runs once I slap the turbo on.

[Digital K]

note: do you have to be certified by NASA or SCCA any other body to do this?

[Champ]

note: do you have to be certified by NASA or SCCA any other body to do this?
No, they circumvent any race licenses by having you "buy" a license for the event, at $50. You don't have to buy that if you hold a proper race license.

[Topher]

No, you don't need a license. None of us have one. So you have to pay $50 for a temp license.

That diesel Benz handled incredibly. And finished in seventh place.

It's not about speed, it's about being speedy at pit stops and staying out there the longest.


edit: beat by champ

[Champ]

i saw that thing. cant imagine a worse car for this...they are so friggin slow. although a rabbit diesel is slower.


I'll see how mine runs once I slap the turbo on.
I will add they ran a faster lap time than we did.

Not that that's saying much since we never got a clean lap in w/o traffic, but hey.

[jungle]

these are enduro races not sprint races....slow & steady wins the race.....or in this case keep putting laps down and don't come in for repairs.

This is the absoulte cheapest wheel-2-wheel racing ever.....note i didn't say cheap.....saftey equipment adds up....cage, window net, driving suit, helmet..etc...

I also like that you don't need a competition license to race, cuz it is a huge barrier to getting into the sport. The downside is, that is is less safe...ppl will race more like they do at pro-kart.

[Digital K]

whats the biggest fuel tank you can run? :D

[Topher]

Whatever you can buy. OEM tanks are suggested, but fuel cells are allowed.

[Digital K]

heehee. I could get around 30mpg at WOT w/ a mk1 diesel. I could go 600 miles without stopping with a large cell ;) and they dont even need a battery to run. simple shit.

[jungle]

I don't think you have the stanima to be out there that long.....no offense but it is VERY tiresome....unless you have a cool suit and a drinking apperatus I doubt you can stay out there for 2 hrs or until the tank runs dry. FYI the VR6 got about 12mpg on track, the Neon gets about 9mpg, and IIRC a spec miata gets about 8.5mpg!

[Topher]

I'm totally mentally spent at 1h45m. Champ and JK had to literally drag me out of the car after my stint.

Racing for that long puts such a mental and physical strain on your body, something you will never understand (I didn't) until you get behind the wheel.

One guy had a heartattack and died while he was racing a year ago.

[Die Frau]

+1 for being seriously interested in doing this in the next few years. Just looks like good clean dirty fun.

[TickTack]

Racing for that long puts such a mental and physical strain on your body, something you will never understand (I didn't) until you get behind the wheel.
I'm not sure how comparable it is, but at our SAE Baja races, I've learned the same thing. The mental strain required reminded me of driving in an insane downpour or a snow storm, except more physically demanding as well.

[Digital K]

roger that. never done this. Ive done many 20 hour straight drives though :P


I think I have a car lined up. calling tomorrow. jittery w/ excitement.

[BimmerTim]

Lol. This is rad.

[Topher]

I've done a 22hr straight job. Trust me, this is way worse. :)

For your first year, with 5 or 6 drivers on a team, expect to put in about $1500-2200 each.

$900ea of that will be safety gear (nomex underwear, properly rated helmet, fire suit, nomex gloves, neck brace) and your registration fee (license, transponder rental, actual registration).

As you have more questions, just let us know. We've done it twice now and have learned a lot each time.

[BimmerTim]

Thanks a ton chris and champ and jungle.

[slobuny]

Thanks guys, like he needs another project.



poor jersey

[Digital K]

some of the guys we are considering have all that crap already. we would probably do autobahn. this could be great. Im sure we'll have lots of questions, and i'll be buying you lots of beer :P

[BimmerTim]

Lol. Sorry Jess.

[Die Frau]

Ha! Keep Tracy away from here!

[Topher]

No need to buy me beer. I love it. If you can manage to borrow the safety gear, you'll save a TON of money.

Best bet is to read the rules. Then read them again. Then read them again. Then read them again. Then have your teammates read them six times. And then read them again.

http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/rules/

[Digital K]

i kinda always wanted a race suit.... if I have to poop in it, I want it to be mine.

[Topher]

Oh and read the rules. :)


You can find decent deals on ebay every once in awhile. Some suits require nomex unders and some dont'. Mine requires nomex unders. Nomex unders and a thinner suit are still cheaper than a stand alone suit. But don't look as cool and aren't as breathable.

There is a set for "lemons" that's $425 (includes suit, nomex, gloves, boots, helmet) you'd just need to buy the neck brace ($45) and you'd be set.

http://yhst-14891464457018.stores.yahoo.net/

The helmet is the bummer, they require a full face (even if you wear a nomex balaclava) and it needs to be Snell certified, which means the standard motorcycle/autox helmet won't work. (which is annoying, because I now own three helmets)

[sprstu]

owning your own stuff doesnt sound like a terrible idea in the long run, I mean if youre able to use it more than once its worth it.

[Topher]

Yup. It's a sunk cost. So each year gets cheaper and cheaper. Especially if you don't have to build a new car/cage each year. (my bad)

[sprstu]

what about these suits?

http://wescoperformance.stores.yahoo.net/nomdrivsuit1.html


that was a bad post, sorry. after looking at tophers post with the 'complete and approved' packages it would seem silly to try and build something considering a helmet alone is over $200

[John2.0T]

I'm 100% in with Kris :). I've been wanting to do this for quite awhile and wheel to wheel racing is an absolute blast!

I've been racing vintage for 3 years now and its a lot of fun. It's DEFINITELY strenuous and exhausting racing for long periods of time. The longest I have gone is 1h 30m at Sebring in March... you get into a rhythm, but as soon as you get out of the car and your adrenaline wears off, it really hits you. I was lucky enough to have water and a cool suit also.

[Topher]

Those are SFI 3.2, so it would require nomex unders (not that that's an issue)

So if you priced that set out:

suit: 145
unders: 70
boots: 70
gloves: 40
helmet: 200 or less or way more (remember has to be snell: http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/tpl/cmn/prodlist.jsp?store=Main&category=40103&attributes=1300002:8500015&page=3)
neck brace: 30

So about $550.

BUT, you'll likely get better gloves and boots. The Pyrotect ones are kind of cheapy. And their helmets BLOW. if you can do enough searching I bet you could find a nice HJC/ICON/etc Snell rated helmet for sub $200.

[Champ]

When Topher says SNELL, he means SNELL SA 2000 or newer.

There is also a SNELL M and SNELL K (motorcycle and karting).

I think within the next few years it will move to SNELL SA 2005 so that's something to consider as well. Although any NEW helmet you buy will be a 2005, and if it's not you shouldn't be buying it.

[Champ]

Thanks guys, like he needs another project.



poor jersey
Why not do it with him? :happydance:

[Champ]

Also, Jessop and I picked up one of the possible donor motors last night and now it's at my house - just waiting for a chance to figure out how we are going to get the car to my place, then we can begin rejuvenating it!

[JK9K]

I'm really pumped to see other people interested in doing this! Like Champ and Topher have said, we're glad to offer any sort of advice, and if we're going to do the same even it might be a good idea to try to pool resources for pitting areas, transportation, tech/pit support etc.

Oh, and as far as being able to do a long stint in a car, I too have done 18+ hour drives, but this is like doing full, wide open throttle driving on crowded city streets with everyone else around you doing the same. Essentially the worst possible rush hour traffic on a 2 lane road but everyone is going 60-100mph. It is stressful. It was really stressful for me having never done anything like it last year, but after about 2 laps I had a shit eating grin on my face (but was still shaking in my boots) after 10 laps I was having the best time I had ever had behind the wheel of a car.

[John2.0T]

I'm really pumped to see other people interested in doing this! Like Champ and Topher have said, we're glad to offer any sort of advice, and if we're going to do the same even it might be a good idea to try to pool resources for pitting areas, transportation, tech/pit support etc.

Oh, and as far as being able to do a long stint in a car, I too have done 18+ hour drives, but this is like doing full, wide open throttle driving on crowded city streets with everyone else around you doing the same. Essentially the worst possible rush hour traffic on a 2 lane road but everyone is going 60-100mph. It is stressful. It was really stressful for me having never done anything like it last year, but after about 2 laps I had a shit eating grin on my face (but was still shaking in my boots) after 10 laps I was having the best time I had ever had behind the wheel of a car.

Great ideas and even better insight on how much fun wheel-to-wheel racing is :happydance:.

I'm extremely excited to get involved and pool our resources and knowledge. It will definitely make the ENTIRE process easier, cheaper and fun!

[Digital K]

I'm really pumped to see other people interested in doing this! Like Champ and Topher have said, we're glad to offer any sort of advice, and if we're going to do the same even it might be a good idea to try to pool resources for pitting areas, transportation, tech/pit support etc.

Oh, and as far as being able to do a long stint in a car, I too have done 18+ hour drives, but this is like doing full, wide open throttle driving on crowded city streets with everyone else around you doing the same. Essentially the worst possible rush hour traffic on a 2 lane road but everyone is going 60-100mph. It is stressful. It was really stressful for me having never done anything like it last year, but after about 2 laps I had a shit eating grin on my face (but was still shaking in my boots) after 10 laps I was having the best time I had ever had behind the wheel of a car.

so like driving in chicago for 2 hours....

[Champ]

so like driving in chicago for 2 hours....
Kinda, but less contact.

[Digital K]

Why not do it with him? :happydance:

oh she'll be there. but, lets stop littering this thread w/ our banter. we have our own thread. :)

[slobuny]

I think you guys deserve to know, Kris turned this offer down.

My name is John Crew, I represent the adult dating sites SexDatePersonals.com and http://www.milf-date.com (http://www.milf-date.com). We took a look at your site (http://eurowerks.org/ (http://eurowerks.org/)) recently, and we are interested in a link exchange.

[Champ]

milf-date, I'll have to check that out!

[Tiina]

Better look at http://cougarlife.com/?landing=index_b as well.

I thought you guys should solicit them for sponsorship, since ABC kicked them to the curb

http://www.examiner.com/x-19776-SF-Advertising-Examiner~y2009m10d16-No-thanks-Keep-your-300K-ABC-airs-Cougar-Town-rejects-CougarLifecom-ads (http://www.examiner.com/x-19776-SF-Advertising-Examiner%7Ey2009m10d16-No-thanks-Keep-your-300K-ABC-airs-Cougar-Town-rejects-CougarLifecom-ads)

[Sunshine]

Oh my god those are awesome!!!

[Russo]

Are you guys going to do any of the Chump Car events in 2010? They're having an event at BIR and two in Iowa.

[Topher]

We are doing Brainerd and the Iowa Speedway for sure. We are likely doing the 24hol event in MI in April and the October event in Chicago.

We will do three if not four races. All dependent upon the car.

[Digital K]

rad. we want to do a few different ones as well to get the car wrung in.

[Champ]

Are you guys going to do any of the Chump Car events in 2010? They're having an event at BIR and two in Iowa.
1 in Iowa from CC, the second one in Iowa is from 24hol :thumbup:

And it's a bummer the BIR event is just 2 - 7 hour sprints instead of a true 24. But hey it's so close you'd be dumb not to do it!

[Russo]

Maybe I'll see you guys at BIR, my fiance just picked up a shitty old BMW for Chump Car.

[John2.0T]

Iowa... how convenient.... :)

[Champ]

Maybe I'll see you guys at BIR, my fiance just picked up a shitty old BMW for Chump Car.
I certainly hope so, tell him to get that thing built up!

[JTapper]

Guys need insurance?

U8haxS5opic

[Champ]

No we don't, thanks though.

[Russo]

I certainly hope so, tell him to get that thing built up!

He's still working on selling all of the shit he found in the trunk and taking things apart. I'll make a project thread on it eventually.

[Champ]

Pulled the engine/trans out of the car, so now we are ready to start building our new frankenengine!

[Kriesel]

I'm not sure how comparable it is, but at our SAE Baja races, I've learned the same thing. The mental strain required reminded me of driving in an insane downpour or a snow storm, except more physically demanding as well.

What school did you do SAE races for? I went to Mankato, but wasn't on the Baja team, did the Formula SAE one year.

[Champ]

Pulled the new engine apart down to the crank so we could check it out. Thing looks really super clean except one journal. We are looking to see if we can get it fixed or we may also pull out another crank from the 9-5 engine we have (the one we got in Ohio) since they are the same crank.

From Saturday:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff13/douglas7400/2010-03-13155828.jpg

[Digital K]

I cant come up w/ any jokes funny enough :(

[hamradio]

Do you live in a castle?

[Champ]

I cant come up w/ any jokes funny enough :(
Let us know if you come up with anything I'm sure you won't disappoint.

Do you live in a castle?
Just a really really large mansion.

[Topher]

You should see the dragons.

[Hart]

Do you live in a castle?
Do you see a moat? :biggrin:

[Digital K]

You should see the dragons.


keep it coming, I've almost come up with something...

[Champ]

Do you see a moat? :biggrin:
Actually there is but the picture was taken from just inside of it.

[JK9K]

Did you get a photo of the draw bridge?

[Die Frau]

No kidding. Who's house is that?!?

[TTaM]

Why is everyone so surprised? I thought all Saab drivers were loaded?

[Die Frau]

Loaded as in drunk.

[JK9K]

Drunk with awesomness.

The house belongs to one of the guys on the team. We decided not to use my small garage, or Chris's tiny garage...so we shipped the car to this year's top secret base. It has been quite a bit more comfortable.

[Die Frau]

In 4 pix of trophy wife, cuz I know he has one.

[Tiina]

In 4 pix of trophy wife, cuz I know he has one.


Maybe the "trophy wife" is the one who brings home the bacon, eh?! misogynists! :P Considering the dude is playing race car games with other saab guys? Very plausible. :rolleyes:

[Die Frau]

My trophy wife can shoot AND clean a rifle. Then shine boots and bounce a quarter off her sheets.

[MechE30]

Tiina is the Trophy Wife in question.

[liketheword]

The only castle in Iowa I presume?

[Champ]

The only castle in Iowa I presume?
I'm not sure if Iowa has a castle or not, haven't been there in a while.

[liketheword]

I'm not sure if Iowa has a castle or not, haven't been there in a while.

Well then...my next guess is that it is your new place? If so nice work sir!

[Champ]

No I only have a 3 car garage :(

[Die Frau]

You'll get no sympathy from me. Some of us make real sacrifices... I don't have a gas lawn mower because I have no effing room in my 1 stall garage.

[Champ]

Ya'll.

[BimmerTim]

Champ, you would have been able to afford more garage space if you had sold me Assassin's Creed.